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Hi Lorenzo,
Are you running your experiment online or locally? And is it possible to attach the experiment here? I'm sure we'll find a way to calculate the averages per category! :)
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Lotje
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Hi Lotje, for now i'm running it locally but i will have to export it on Jatos. Sure i can, i can send you a link maybe?
Hi @Lorenzo ,
It sounds like we need a little bit of inline scripting to calculate the separate averages, and since you will be using OSWeb, the programming language that we are going to use in JavaScript. Could you upload your experiment by clicking the paperclip icon? Otherwise, a link should also work.
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Lotje
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Hi Lotte,
I've attached the experiment here. Thanks for your help, how we are going to do this?.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
First of, I simplified the structure of your experiment by:
loop
table that indicates the PNG file corresponding to the current trialsquare-bracket
notation in asketchpad
item to determine which PNG file to showsketchpads
for each trialRegarding the accuracy per condition, you could do the following:
loop
item indicating the current condition. Please check whether I did this correctlyinline_javascript
items to the overview area (as in the screenshot above)inline_javascript
item, put the following script in thePrepare
tab to initialize the counters for the number of correct responses per category:inline_javascript
, update the counters depending on the current condition and participants' accuracy. This time, place the script in theRun
phase:inline_script
item, divide the number of correct trials per condition by the total number of trials in this category like so (again in theRun
tab):I attached the modified script. Hope this helps. :)
Cheers,
Lotje
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Many thanks Lotje!
I was trying to download the file that you've attached me back here.. but i don't why it opens a new experiment page.
Hi Lotje,
I was able to run the experiment with the new script you sent me. It works Great, but the Problem is that in the end, for what concerns the global and local average reaction time, it show only the percentage about the right or wrong answers in the 2 domains (global and local), not the average about the reaction time. How can we fix this?. I promise i'll Buy you a bar XD.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
Oops, sorry! Here you go!
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Lotje
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Thanks so much, @Lorenzo ! ☕️
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Hi Lotje,
It's me again! i'm trying to download the experiment on Jatos, i saved it both in zip and osx file and it worked. The Problem is that when i try to run it from Jatos, when i click Ok to start, an error message occur. I made a screenshot of that error, i attach it here.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
Could you open the console of your browser when running the experiment and report the error message that is presented there? You can open the console on firefox by pressing ctrl+shift+c. (For safari, follow these instructions)
That error message will be a little more informative that the one in the screenshot you shared.
Thanks,
Eduard
Hi Eduard,
thanks for managing my request. I upload here 2 screenshot about the console during the experiment.
Cheers
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
I think the problem comes from the
keyboard_response
item where the allowed responses are defined. The value "None" is not recognized/understood, so you could simply remove it (and set the allowed responses to "b;n". Does that solve the issue?Cheers,
Lotje
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Hi Lotje,
Yes i tried to do that, but now when i upload the experiment on JATOS it says "study invalid"..don't know why exactly.
Hi Lotje,
I realized that the compatibility check is failing and is giving "item_form_text_display is not supported"
"item_form_text_display is not supported"
How to fix that?.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lotje,
I don't know why finally i uploaded the experiment on JATOS, and it works! but...at the end of the experiment it doesn't show the average response time about local and global stimuli, and when i download the results i can't convert them in CSV or excel, because they are just text i Guess.
Hi @Lorenzo ,
I realized that the compatibility check is failing and is giving "item_form_text_display is not supported"
Form
items
are indeed not supported in OSWeb.Did you end up using
sketchpad
items for the instructions and goodbye message?But...at the end of the experiment it doesn't show the average response time about local and global stimuli
I tried to run the most recent experimental file that you uploaded here (called "6973-2N.osexp") and can't reproduce this. For me, it correctly shows the average RT. To avoid confusion, could you upload your most recent experimental file, if the
feedback
item at the end of the experiment is indeed still not shown?When I download the results I can't convert them in CSV or excel, because they are just text I guess
I just noticed that your experiment does not contain a
logger
item. You should append one to the end of your trial_sequence
like so. Otherwise, no output file is created.Hope this already helps you a bit.
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Lotje
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Hi Lotje,
Sorry for my late response i had lesson this afternoon. Well, i've added the logger as you told me and now i can directly acces to the datas from OS. The experiment work well also if i run it from JATOS, but i can't convert the jatos results into a cvs/xlsx file through OS. When i search for the JATOS result file i downloaded from it, i can't select it to convert it. It remains as a text file that is really hard to read.
I was guessing, is there a way to get in the results files directly the two reaction times for global and local? like in two different columns?.
i upload here the experimental file i uploaded onto JATOS. (it would be amazing to set the experiment to be runnable also from a smartphone..in that case we should have to assign to b & n press for example, the down left Side for b and the down right Side for n, correct?).
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
I have never used JATOS to run a study, so I don't know how the output looks like and how to fix it. Based on your description, I also don't know why Opensesame can't convert it. Could you share an output file, so I could try to convert it myself?
in that case we should have to assign to b & n press for example, the down left Side for b and the down right Side for n, correct?).
On a smartphone, you probably don't want to keyboard responses, but touch responses instead. For that purpose I think you could use a mouse response and two "buttons" on the screen. Lotje made a great tutorial on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L9pzw4tpx8
Hope this helps,
Eduard
Hi @eduard,
Nope, i can't share the output files because those are document file, and the forum doesn't support this kind of format. The fact is that if i run the experiment from OS, i'm able to download and upload in excel the results, that will appear correctly divided per column. When i download the experiment results from JATOS, they are saved as documents and if try to convert the results, through the tool in OSWeb called convert JATOS results to csv/xlsx, i can't select the documents about the results.
I tried also to create a zip file of the results and in this way a can at least select it from OSweb, but when i click to convert it OS give me this message:
In that way i can't process the datas, they looks like exactly as a broken json file.
I hope it is not a Problem of MacOS.
Hi @Lorenzo ,
Is there a way to get in the results files directly the two reaction times for global and local?
Yes, perhaps the following is easiest: Replace the
inline_javascript
that calculates the averages to the trial_sequence and make sure it appears right before thelogger
item:This will add additional columns to the output file for the variables "avg_RT_local" and "avg_RT_global". Make sure to only interpret the very last rows of these columns, because these will include the final calculations (after all 48 trials):
I can't share the output files because those are document file, and the forum doesn't support this kind of format.
Could you perhaps zip it, then? Or email it to me: l.vanderlinden@cogsci.nl
And one final question: In the most recent OpenSesame file that you uploaded here, the
form_text
items are still there. These are not supported by OSWeb. Did you replace them bysketchpad
items?Cheers,
Lotje
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Hi @Lorenzo ,
Does it help if you manually add the extension ".txt" to your output file? For example, rename "jatos_results_20210310162303" (the one you sent me) to "jatos_results_20210310162303.txt" and try converting again.
You should not try to convert files with the extension ".zip". Then you indeed get the "utf-8" message.
Let me know if this helps.
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Lotje
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Hi Lotje,
Yes if i insert now the .txt it works, meaning that OS can convert the jatos results file..but and i don't know why, in the excel file i can see only one string with the variables name without actually the numerical datas of them. I'm going to try another time, as i will repeat the running though jatos and download the rispective results.
What you were meaning when you asked me that:
"In the most recent OpenSesame file that you uploaded here, the
form_text
items are still there. These are not supported by OSWeb. Did you replace them bysketchpad
items?" ?.Another thing Lotje, if i do modifications on the source experiment that i have already uploaded in a JATOS study, these modifications will be valid also on it or, i will have to create a new study with the modified one? Like in that case the fact that i've put the new logger after the inline javascript about the averages?.
Many thanks,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
But and I don't know why, in the excel file I can see only one string with the variables name without actually the numerical datas of them.
The example output file that you sent me indeed only contained some variable names. No actual responses were recorded (yet).
In the most recent OpenSesame file that you uploaded here, the
form_text
items are still there. These are not supported by OSWeb. Did you replace them bysketchpad
items?Sorry for the misunderstanding. I found out that
text_forms
are (minimally) supported online after all (although not properly tested yet). If it works for your experiment, then perhaps it is fine and you can leave it like this.Another thing Lotje, if i do modifications on the source experiment that i have already uploaded in a JATOS study, these modifications will be valid also on it
No, you have to export the modified OpenSesame script to a JATOS script, and import it as a new study on JATOS after every change you made. Perhaps this will also solve the issue with the almost-empty output file?
Good luck!
Cheers,
Lotje
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Hi Lotje,
I Think i understand now when you was saying to replace the form_text items with sketchpad items. Infact i Think that the reason for this error:
it's exactly due to that, right?. Well, sorry but how can i do that?.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
No, this error message tells you that OpenSeame could not find the PNG file called "6.png". Could you check whether this image is still in the filepool?
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Lotje
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Hi Lotje,
It's strange because the feedback response file disappeared also! the filepool you mean the one in the experimental loop?.
Cheers,
Lorenzo
Hi @Lorenzo ,
For some reason all png files were gone from your file pool. (For what the file pool is, see here: https://osdoc.cogsci.nl/3.3/tutorials/beginner/#step-4-add-images-and-sound-files-to-the-file-pool.)
I put them back, and also moved the
feedback
item andlogger
(as I suggested earlier) and replaced theform_items
bysketchpad
items. Could you try uploading the new version to OSWeb, do a test run and look at the output file to see if all variables are there?Cheers,
Lotje
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