[solved] Flicker Paradigm Change Blindness Task

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• Josh

  September 2015 edited September 2015

  Hi Ashley,

  Firstly, yes it is possible to collect all mouse responses and stop when the correct location in your stimulus has been clicked. In your inline_script you could start off by defining that location: e.g.

    x_min = 50
    x_max = 55
    y_min = 100
    y_max = 105   # these coordinates indicate a square with x=50 to 55 and
                           # y = 100 to 105
  

  The get_click() command returns a set of coordinates, (in your code that's a variable named 'position'). Here is an example of how you could append responses to a list, and stop when the correct location was clicked:

    response_list = [] # we start off with an empty list.
    correct_response_given = False
  
    while correct_response_given = False:
           resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=80)
           if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
  

  Regardless of how often participants clicked a wrong location, the last response in that list would be the correct one. You could do all kinds of things with that list, e.g. len(response_list) would show you how many clicks a participant needed to get it right.

  Hope this helps.

  Josh
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Josh,

  I really appreciate your help! This did help me to make sense of recording the mouse responses. However, I am getting an "invalid syntax" error for the line "while correct_response_given = False"

  I inserted your suggestion into my code like this, but is this incorrect?

  for i in range(repetitions):
  
      my_canvas1.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      while correct_response_given = False:
      if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
  

  Thanks,
  Ashley
• Josh

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Oops, I made a mistake there; it's while correct_response_given == False:, so, with two equals signs instead of one!

  For all logic statements (such as "if this" or "while that"), 'equals' is denoted with two equals signs. The single = is best interpreted as 'becomes'.

  Cheers,

  Josh
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Great! This makes a lot more sense.

  I ran into one more snag though, I am now getting this error:

  "Error while executing inline script

  phase: run
  item: Practice_pair
  line: 32
  exception message: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getitem'
  exception type: TypeError

  Traceback:
  File "dist\libopensesame\inline_script.py", line 173, in run
  File "dist\libopensesame\python_workspace.py", line 111, in _exec
  File "", line 33, in
  TypeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getitem' "

  Line 32 is this "if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):"

  Is this something to do with position being "none" when a timeout happens? How can I work around this?

  Again, I appreciate all of your help!
• Josh

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Hi Ashley,

  This can't be due to position being 'none', as line 30 indicates to only run line 32 if position is not 'none'. Are you sure you defined your x_min, x_max, y_min and y_max somewhere?

  Cheers
  Josh
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited September 2015

  Josh,

  Yes, I believe that I defined the x and y variables correctly. This is the complete code that I have right now:

  frame_dur = 250
  repetitions = 45
  start_time = self.time
  
  from openexp.mouse import mouse
  from openexp.canvas import canvas
  
  x_min = -256
  x_max = -64
  y_min = 64
  y_max = 224
  
  my_mouse = mouse(exp, timeout=frame_dur)
  my_mouse.set_visible(visible=True)
  
  my_canvas1 = canvas(exp)
  my_canvas1.image(exp.get_file(u'Barn1.png')) 
  my_canvas2 = canvas(exp)
  my_canvas2.image(exp.get_file(u'Barn2.png'))
  my_canvas_gray = canvas(exp, bgcolor='gray')
  
  response_list = [] 
  correct_response_given = False
  
  for i in range(repetitions):
  
      my_canvas1.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      while correct_response_given == False:
          if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
                else:
                    resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()    
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=80)
  
      my_canvas2.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      while correct_response_given == False:
          if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
                else:
                    resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=80)
  
  len(response_list)
  

  Is it a problem with the coordinates that I am using?

  Thanks,
  Ashley
• Josh

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Hi Ashley, did you put the for-loop part in the 'run phase' of your inline_script? (Everything before the for-loop can be kept in the 'prepare phase')

  Cheers,

  Josh
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Josh,

  I had everything in the "run" phase. I moved everything before the loop commands to the prepare phase, but I am still getting the same error.

  "Error while executing inline script
  phase: run
  item: Practice_pair
  line: 8
  exception message: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getitem'
  exception type: TypeError

  Traceback (also in debug window):
  File "dist\libopensesame\inline_script.py", line 173, in run
  File "dist\libopensesame\python_workspace.py", line 111, in _exec
  File "", line 9, in
  TypeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getitem'"

  Thanks,
  Ashley
• eduard

  September 2015 edited September 2015

  Hi,

  I didn't read the entire discussion super-thoroughly, but does it solve the issue if you change this line:

  if position != 'none': into that: if position != None:?

  If the mouse wasn't clicked position should be of None type and not a string.

  Good luck,

  Eduard

  
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Eduard,

  Yes, that solved the error. Thank you for your help.

  I am starting to understand what they say about writing code; fix one thing and something else breaks.
  My cycle is no longer working and I really cannot find a reason why. Before adding Josh's suggestions I had no trouble with the image cycle. When I try to run the experiment now it shows me the first canvas, but will not advance. When I try to click (either in the correct or incorrect zone) the experiment locks up and becomes unresponsive.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks again for all the help,
  Ashley
• eduard

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Hi Ashley,

  it locks up, if you click in one of the incorrect areas of the screen, it freezes, because you have no mechanism to avoid an infinite loop. Add a counter to the loop (either based on repetitions or on time), to set a limit to that.

  If you click in the correct area, it should work though. Can you verify that the logic of the loop is correct, by adding a print statement after this line:

  if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max)

  Something like: print 'been here'

  If the check works fine, it should print this string to the debug window. If it doesn't appear, there is probably something wrong with the logic.

  Good luck,

  Eduard

  Edit: I just saw the values of x_max, x_min and the y equivalents. Usually, screen coordinates in Opensesame are only positive integers, starting with (0,0) in the topleft corner. Is there a reason why you use negative values there?

  
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Eduard,

  I thought this section of code set a limit to the repetitions:

  frame_dur = 250
  repetitions = 45
  

  When the image is clicked the window becomes unresponsive, and nothing ever prints in the debug window. It does not even respond to the escape key once the images appear. So perhaps I am misunderstanding the loop instructions. It was working fine before I added the response lines of code.

  For the x, y I was using the coordinates on the canvas item where it indicates the center is (0,0).

  ~Ashley
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  I did some reading on the forum and understand that I misinterpreted the origin for the coordinates. I now have all of my coordinates based on a (0,0) in the top left and thus all of my x y coordinates are positive integers.

  However, this did not solve my freezing problem. This is pretty confusing! :-/
• eduard

  September 2015 edited September 2015

  Hi,

  I thought this section of code set a limit to the repetitions:
  ~~~ .python

  frame_dur = 250
  repetitions = 45

  ~~~

  This part doesn't prevent infinite loops that originate in one of the while loops, e.g., if correct_response_give stays False. Do you see that?

  Another problem that could have caused these issues is the fact that both of your while loops contain only computing steps, if a mouse button was clicked. However, since there is no command waiting for the mouse click to occur, which is run on every iteration of the while loop, nothing happens. So, have a look at this:

   while correct_response_given == False:
          # anything from here on, won't be run, because position was once defined as
          # being None, and was not sampled again since then. 
  
          if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
                else:
                    # this else is never executed
                    resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
  

  I hope you see the problem. A solution is to move the else statement one level up:

   while correct_response_given == False:
          # now either the if or the else statement will inevitably executed
  
          if position != 'none':
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
          else:
                # now the loop is waiting for a button to be clicked on every iteration
                resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
  

  Let us know if this worked.

  Good luck,

  Eduard

  
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited September 2015

  Okay, definitely getting closer! Thanks so much! With the above changes my experiment now runs, but with a few small hiccups.
  This is my current code in the "run" phase:

  for i in range(repetitions):
  
      my_canvas1.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      while correct_response_given == False:
          if position != None:
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
          else:
              resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=250)
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=80)
  
      my_canvas2.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      while correct_response_given == False:
          if position != None:
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
          else:
              resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=250)
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(timeout=80)
  
  len(response_list)
  

  My only problem now is that the loop will not start until the correct location is clicked, and then after that the loop will not end until after the specified 45 repetitions regardless of where I click. If I begin by clicking on an incorrect location on canvas1 nothing happens, but if I continue to click outside of the correct x,y coordinates the experiment will freeze.

  I tried adding a line such as

  if correct_response_given == True
       break 
  

  but this only gives me an error or causes the experiment to freeze.

  What I need to happen is for the loop to start automatically and only stop if either the correct response is given or the maximum number of repetitions has occurred.

  Thanks again,

  Ashley
• eduard

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Well, if you answer the first time correctly, correct_response_given is already true, so you won't ever enter the second while loop. If you don't give the correct response, you're still being caught in the first while loop. I'm not sure what exactly it is that you want to accomplish (still haven't read your first post, sorry...), but would it work if you wrote the code like this:

  for i in range(repetitions):
  
      my_canvas1.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      response_list.append(position)
      if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
          correct_response_given1 = True
          break
  # if you wanna show the gray canvas, only if the correct response was given:
  # if correct_response_given1:
  my_canvas_gray.show()
  for i in range(repetitions):
      my_canvas2.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click()
      response_list.append(position)
      if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
          correct_response2_given = True
          break 
  
  my_canvas_gray.show()
  
  len(response_list)
  
  

  Does this make sense?

  
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Eduard,

  Yes, that makes sense but does not work for what I want to accomplish.

  In a change blindness task the objective is to quickly switch back and forth between two images with a gray mask in between. Participants are to identify the change and click on it, which ideally would end the loop and proceed to the next set of images.

  There is not a "correct" answer on the first cycle as they haven't been shown the change until canvas2 is presented, and it is very unlikely that anyone would be able to identify the change even in the first 20 cycles. So I want the loop to run until the correct answer is given, and to record any incorrect responses, but not to wait for any mouse input before continuing through the loop.

  Is there a way to do this?

  Thanks,
  Ashley
• eduard

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Oh, of course. Now it makes much more sense to me. Sorry.

  What about this code?

  for i in range(repetitions):
  
      my_canvas1.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(250)
      if correct_response_given == False:
          if position != None:
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
                        break
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
  
      my_canvas2.show()
      resp, position, timestamp = my_mouse.get_click(250)
      if correct_response_given == False:
          if position != None:
                response_list.append(position)
                if (x_min <= position[0] <= x_max) and (y_min <= position[1] <= y_max):
                        correct_response_given = True
                        break
  
      my_canvas_gray.show()
  
  len(response_list)
  

  The difference here is that I changed the whiles into ifs and removed the elses, because I don't think they added much to the logic. You just have to make sure, that my_mouse.get_click() is waiting for just as much time as you want to present each of the images' versions.

  Eduard

  
• adebersole

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Eduard,

  Yes, this is perfect! Thank you so much for all your help!

  Ashley
• eduard

  September 2015 edited 2:55AM

  Good to hear. We could have saved much time, if I would have been more attentive right from the beginning. Sorry again.

  Eduard