[solved] Two independent sequences in parallel

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• sebastiaan

  April 2013 edited April 2013

  To begin with, OpenSesame's obviously a great piece of software. I find it easy to create basic experiments, and the best thing about it might be that it teaches me some Python. Sebastiaan, I told you I'd use OpenSesame for the next thing I'm going to pre-register (This is intended for Cortex.)

  Thank you, and good luck with the new format!

  Is the basic approach sound? If so, I would put up my script on pastebin and kindly ask for more specific feedback. Or is it simply not possible the way I'm trying to do it right now?

  The basic approach should be sound, if the parallel plug-in would function as you would hope. Unfortunately, on many systems it doesn't. I don't use a Mac myself, but it sounds like a threading problem again.

  My recommendation would be to implement the RSVP task through an inline_script. It's not that difficult, and it will save you considerable headaches. The basic idea is demonstrated in this script:

  from openexp.canvas import canvas
  from openexp.keyboard import keyboard
  
  N = 10 # Nr. of canvases
  SOA = 495 # Just short of 500ms
  
  # Create a list of canvases. These could in principle
  # also be copied from sketchpad items, using
  # `self.copy_sketchpad()`.
  canvas_list = []
  for i in range(N):
      my_canvas = canvas(exp)
      my_canvas.text('%s' % i)
      canvas_list.append(my_canvas)
  
  # Create a keyboard object that also servers as a
  # delay period.
  my_keyboard = keyboard(exp, timeout=SOA)
  
  # Alternately show canvases and record keypresses,
  # until a key has been pressed.
  t1 = self.time()
  for i in range(N):
      canvas_list[i].show()
      key, t2 = my_keyboard.get_key()
      if key != None:
          break
  
  # Set the response variables
  exp.set('response_time', t2-t1)
  exp.set('response', key)
  

  Cheers!
  Sebastiaan

  
  
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• Jona

  April 2013 edited April 2013

  Thanks Sebastiaan! I think I mostly understand what's going on in that script. It will take me some time to implement it though. Alas, at least I'm learning Python.

  However, one thing I'm worrying about is that the feedback sound cannot be time-locked to the text presentation, but must be time-locked to the button press (after some delay), while the canvas presentation should go on unperturbed (the sentence must be fully presented, and at the same speed). If I understand correctly the "if key != None:" line, whatever happens afterwards would start at the next iteration of the loop (when a new canvas would have been presented), and anything with a real duration here will delay the next canvas.

  I think I have a vague idea of how to manage that - delay the sound file by a value dependent on RT (t2), as in the mock code here:

  
  t1 = self.time()
  flag = 0
  for i in range(N):
      canvas_list[i].show()
      if key != None:
      key, t2 = my_keyboard.get_key()
  # after a delay based on RT, play either hit or miss sound
  # ... but only if no sound has been played before in this cycle
      if key = [correct_response] and flag = 0:
          self.sleep(500-t2)
              (play "hit" soundfile)
          flag = 1    
      elseif key = [incorrect_response] and flag = 0:
          self.sleep(500-t2)
              (play "miss" soundfile)
          flag = 1    
  
  

  However, this would also delay the presentation of the next phrase. And as far as I understand it, updating SOA to a new value wouldn't change anything in the loop? Seems like I need a real parallel process again.

  Best,
  Jona
• Jona

  April 2013 edited 2:10PM

  Okay, I've had a co-worker explain things to me a bit and I see where I understood your script, Sebastiaan. I will fiddle around with myself some more for now, please don't concern yourself with fixing what I should be able to do myself I'll post again when I run into actual problems.
  Thanks for the help.
• Jona

  April 2013 edited April 2013

  I've adapted Sebastiaan's proposed solution and it works up to this point. The main problem was getting the next canvas to be delayed after a button press, and only allowing key presses once the critical event of the sequence had been presented, which I solved using something not especially elegant, but functional.
  Here is a link to what I did: http://pastebin.com/sP8J9Z0B

  I've changed the thread tag to [solved] accordingly.
• sebastiaan

  April 2013 edited 2:10PM

  Great, and good luck with the experiment!

  
  
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