[open] Pseudorandom order, items in sequence?

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• Josh

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Hi Dani,

  Cool experiment with the logic and everything - but if I understand you well the only thing you need to know is how to pick and assign things randomly?
  I think the easiest way is to place an inline_script item inside the loop before the series of sketchpads. In this inline_script you can define your variables, i.e. words and target/distractor locations, each trial. At the top of the script you can insert: from math import random. This will make some useful functions available.

  Now to pick a random word that can't be picked twice, you'll have to make a list of all words, e.g. wordlist = ['boat', 'lion', 'mule', 'spot']. You shuffle this list with the command: random.shuffle(wordlist).
  Next, you pick an item, removing it from the list so it can't be picked twice: word = wordlist.pop(0).
  Your word, (contained in a variable named 'word'), is only available/callable in an inline_script. To make it available for your sketchpad, you have to insert: exp.set('word',word). In the sketchpad, inserting '[word]' on your desired location (without apostrophes, but with parentheses) will display whichever word was picked.

  Assigning a random location for target and distractor will work in a fairly similar way. You have a list with the target and distractor (e.g. list = ['target.png', 'distractor.png']), which you randomly shuffle, and then just select the two locations for:

     left = list.pop(0)  # picks the first from two elements.
     right = list.pop(0)  # picks the first from one element.
  

  In your next sketchpad, you can insert [left] in the left corner, and [right] in the right corner.
  Do make sure that you have a means to process the response as well. For instance:

     if left == 'target.png':
            correct_response = 'z'
     else:
            correct_response = 'm' #(depending on which buttons you want to use)
  

  The keyboard response item will then automatically log whether the given response was correct or not.

  Good luck!

  Josh
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  I tried a bit of what you wrote, but I'm afraid I was not clear enough, and my skills are mediocre at best.

  So, let me try again.

  In my OpenSesame, a sequence consists of 4 sketchpads, a keyboard response item, and a logger.

  1st - present a word
  2nd - present the first image of the series
  3rd - present the first and second image of a series
  4th - present the first, second, and third of a series
  5th - present two options for the participant - corresponds to the question, which images comes next?

  I want the first sketchpad to draw and present one word from a wordlist without replacing that word back in the deck of cards, so to speak.

  The next three sketchpads are defined by me because they define the beginning of the series. So, I don't think I need to screw with them.

  However, I want the last sketchpad to do this: if the target is on the left, then the distractor should be on the right. But, the trick is this.....these targets and distractors are completely unique to this particular sequence. No other sequence in my OpenSesame will utilize these exactly images.

  I've tried several things, including, creating a loop for each sequence, but this doesn't seem to do the trick. If I introduce the wordlist into the variable wizard, then the variable wizard wants me to run the loop for as many cycles as there are words in my list.

  To put the icing on the cake, I have 12 sequences and I want the sequences to be random.

  Please help
• Josh

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Welcome to experimental design

  Let's start with the icing on your cake: you have 12 sequences, but what are they for? Should they represent 12 trials? Or 12 trial types? Either way, I think you should be able to work with just one sequence. How many trials and how many types you're going to end up with can be defined in a single loop item.

  The things I suggested in my previous comment are mostly still applicable here. For instance, you want a unique pair of target and distractor for every sequence (=trial?). Well, just make a list of target/distractor pairs in much the same way as the other things, e.g.: targetdistractor_pairs = [["target1","distractor1"], ["target2","distractor2"]] etc. (As you can see, you'd have a list, consisting of tiny lists). Again you randomly shuffle and pop; and then to decide left and right you do the very same thing, like I suggested previously.

  Really the central point is to define all your stimuli, words, images, target/distractor locations at the beginning of each trial - that is, the beginning of each iteration through your loop. Normally alot of those variables can be defined with the loop item itself; for instance the variable wizard like you mentioned. However, if you just want everything to be random you might as well just indicate the amount of cycles in your loop item (which will ultimately equal the amount of trials) and not use the wizard.

  Your goal is to assign values to all objects in your trial. If a line in my inline_script says "word = random.shuffle(["fish", "dish"]).pop(0)", for instance, I will end up with a variable named 'word' that contains the value "fish" or "dish". Placing [word] in a sketchpad will display "fish" or "dish", simple as that. Want to use 15 sketchpads that stack multiple words or images? Fine - in the first sketchpad you place the [word], in the second one you place [word] [image1], in the third you place [word] [image1] [image2], etc.

  I suggest you place a single inline_script in front of (so not inside) the loop item, and define all lists there. A word list, a list of possible target distractor pairs, a list of all image sequences and so forth.
  Inside the loop item you begin with another inline script - and in this one, you simply pick an item from each of the lists. The .pop(0) command makes sure that you'll only use an item from a list once!

  If anything is unclear to you, feel free to ask; but I'd also suggest spending a google or two on lists, random and python.

  Cheers,

  Josh
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  

  I'm familiar with lists. Python, I'm still working through the code-acad tutorial. And random, I get that it's a function that I can use on items in a list, i.e. random(words) You say to make a list for my words. Ok, I did that. I also made a list of the image pairs: a list of tiny lists.

  But, it's not at all clear what you're suggesting anymore.

  I tried inserting the inline script before the loop, and writing:

  from math import random
  wordlist = ["dog", "cat", "snake", "fox"]
  random.shuffle(wordlist)
  word = wordlist.pop(0)
  exp.set('word',word)

  And then I tried using

  [word]

  in my sketchpad,
  but when I run the experiment, it says I don't have [word] defined.

  I also tried putting the following in an inline before the loop:

  from math import random
  wordlist = ["dog", "cat", "snake", "fox"]

  and in an inline script in the loop placing:

  random.shuffle(wordlist)
  word = wordlist.pop(0)
  exp.set('word',word)

  But, that didn't work either.

  Again, the basic idea of the experiment is like this....

  1. "Things in the kitchen"
     A B C
     D E

  2.  "Public Holidays"
              1 2 3 
                4 5 
     

  3.        "Crimes"
      Big bigger biggest 
           Smaller Small 
     

  The top row corresponds to the word, the second row corresponds to a set series of images, and the bottom row corresponds to a choice that the participant has to make regarding what is the correct continuation of the proceeding row.

  As you can see, what I had was a bunch of sequences, but I ran into the problem that
  a) I want to run through each sequence once
  b) I want the words that were to be presented on the first sketchpad shuffled
  c) I couldn't shuffle the order of the entire sequence presentations, i.e. sequence3, sequence0, sequence1
  d) I can't figure out how to make it so that the final two images are presented either on the left or the right.

  What do you think? Should I redo the simple tutorial? I feel like it left me asking more questions, and gave me a false sense of security. Python be damned!
• Knante

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Hi Dani,

  I'm by no means an expert in Python but let me try to help as a way to learn some things myself as well.

  First of all, i think you are trying to create too many sequences. Every trial you want to present has the same procedure so you can merge all into one. In the loop that precedes it you can define six different variables:

  • Theme (example: "Public holidays")
  • Picture 1
  • Picture 2
  • Picture 3
  • Target picture
  • Distractor picture

  and fill them with the word and picture pairs you want to use so that every row has a unique set of stimuli. In the loop item you can select how many times you want to cylce through this list (12 in your case), set the order (random) and amount of repeatings (1).

  As for the target and distraction locations you could try to select a random number at the beginning of the sequence and appoint the target location and correct keyboard answer accordingly:

  exp.set('rand', [])
  
  import random
  
  # Select random number between 0 and 1
  rand = random.randint(0,1)
  print rand
  
  # Target on left side
  if exp.get('rand') == 0 :
      exp.set('target_loc', -384)
      exp.set('distractor_loc', 384)
      exp.set('correct_response', 'z')
  
  # Target on right side
  else:
      exp.set('target_loc', 384)
      exp.set('distractor_loc', -384)
      exp.set('correct_response', 'm')
  

  And alter your script in the final sketchpad like this:

  draw textline "[target_loc]" 0 "[Target]" ...
  draw textline "[distractor_loc]" 0 "[Distractor]" ...

  But again, i'm no experienced builder myself and i have not tested this little script so if anyone has a more elegant solution please correct me!
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Knante said, "fill [the variables in the loop] with the word and picture pairs you want to use so that every row has a unique set of stimuli".

  I don't know what he meant by word and picture pairs.
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  And what's up with all the crashing on for mac version of openSesame? It crashes all the time.
• Knante

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  This is what i mean, i used just words in the example but you can substitute them with pictures:

  
• Josh

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Hi Dani,

  You were almost there. If you look at my first post, you can see: "To make it available for your sketchpad, you have to insert: exp.set('word',word)."

  So yeah, you created the variables in your inline script perfectly, now you only need to set them with exp.set, and you can do whatever you want with them in your sketchpads!

  Cheers,

  Josh
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  A few questions:

  Where do I insert "exp.set('word',word)"? In the prepare or run part of the in-line script?

  

  How do I get items underneath the in_line script? When I insert the in-line script into my loop item, it doesn't allow for any other items to be placed under it? From the picture, you should be able to see that sketchpad items are "under" the in_line script, but not "under" loop and not "under" the in_line script in the relevant sense.

  Also, here's a look at my lists, which you told me to make. I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind.

  words = [“Tiere”, “Städte”, “Obst”, “Filme”, “Autoren”, “Musikinstrumente”, “Länder”, “Feiertage”, “Spiele “, “Spielzeug”, “Mädchen Namen”, “Filmgrößen”, “Farben“, “Körperteil”, “Wissenschaftsfächer”, “Fächer “, “Universitäten”, “Rauschgift”, “Verbrechen”, “Beruf”, “Büro“, “Elektronikgeräte”, “Fortbewegungsmittel”, “Gemüse”, “Insekten”, “Kleidung”, “Lebensmittel”, “Möbel”, “Krankheiten”]

  sequence_1 = [“1.png”, “2.png”, “3.png”, “4.png”, “w.png”]
  sequence_1_target_distractor = [“4.png”, “w.png”]

  sequence_2 = [“1a.png”, “2a.png”, “3a.png”, “4a.png”, “wa.png”]
  sequence_2_target_distractor = [“4a.png”, “wa.png”]

  sequence_3 = [“1b.png”, “2b.png”, “3b.png”, “4b.png”, “wb.png”]
  sequence_3_target_distractor = [“4b.png”, “wb.png”]

  sequence_4 = [“1c.png”, “2c.png”, “3c.png”, “4c.png”, “wc.png”]
  sequence_4_target_distractor = [“4c.png”, “wc.png”]

  sequence_5 = [“1d.png”, “2d.png”, “3d.png”, “4d.png”, “wd.png”]
  sequence_5_target_distractor = [“4d.png”, “wd.png”]

  sequence_6 = [“1e.png”, “2e.png”, “3e.png”, “4e.png”, “we.png”]
  sequence_6_target_distractor = [“4e.png”, “we.png”]

  sequence_7 = [“1f.png”, “2f.png”, “3f.png”, “4f.png”, “wf.png”]
  sequence_7_target_distractor = [“4f.png”, “wf.png”]

  sequence_8 = [“1g.png”, “2g.png”, “3g.png”, “4g.png”, “wg.png”]
  sequence_8_target_distractor = [“4g.png”, “wg.png”]

  sequence_9 = [“1h.png”, “2h.png”, “3h.png”, “4h.png”, “wh.png”]
  sequence_9_target_distractor = [“4h.png”, “wh.png”]

  sequence_10 = [“1i.png”, “2i.png”, “3i.png”, “4i.png”, “wi.png”]
  sequence_10_target_distractor = [“4i.png”, “wi.png”]

  sequence_11 = [“1j.png”, “2j.png”, “3j.png”, “4j.png”, “wj.png”]
  sequence_11_target_distractor = [“4j.png”, “wj.png”]

  sequence_12 = [“1k.png”, “2k.png”, “3k.png”, “4k.png”, “wk.png”]
  sequence_12_target_distractor = [“4k.png”, “wk.png”]

  Thanks for helping!
• Josh

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Hi Dani,

  Yeah, this is perhaps a bit counter-intuitive: the loop item can indeed only loop one item. In order to loop more, you'll have to place a sequence item in the loop, and place your inline_script and everything else in the sequence item.
  The exp.set command can be put in the prepare phase, right after you declared your variable.

  Good luck!

  Josh
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Where do I insert "exp.set('word',word)"? In the prepare or run part of the in-line script?
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Sorry, I didn't read what you wrote carefully. You said in the prepare phase.
• DaniCook

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Hey Josh! Your help has been amazing. I finally have made some progress.

  But, I have a problem. I don't know what I'm doing wrong here.

  Just to reiterate what I think I want and how it relates to open-sesame:

  We have twelve trials, that is, participants make 12 independent decisions.

  Before each decision, we present an order series of stimuli.

  Now, let's get more specific.

  At the very start of trial, we present a randomly selected word from a list and present this word to participants. We do this by calling the variable [word] that we set in our in_line script at the start of the sequence item within our loop.

  #-------------------------------BEGINS MY IN_LINE SCRIPT---------------------
  import random 
  wordlist = ["Tiere", "Städte", "Obst", "Filme", "Autoren", "Musikinstrumente", "Länder", "Feiertage", "Spiele", "Spielzeug", "Mädchen Namen", "Filmgrößen", "Farben", "Körperteil", "Wissenschaftsfächer", "Fächer", "Universitäten", "Rauschgift", "Verbrechen", "Beruf", "Büro", "Elektronikgeräte", "Forbewungsmittel", "Gemüse", "Insekten", "Kleidung", "Lebensmittel", "Möbel", "Krankheiten", "Gefühle", "Werkzeuge", "Bücher", "Jungennamen", "Sänger"]
  random.shuffle(wordlist)
  word = wordlist.pop(0)
  exp.set('word',word)
  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  

  The next sketchpad presents an image. we also want this image to be randomly selected from a list. So, the same way that we presented the word, we present the image.

  #-----------------------------SETTING MY FIRST IMAGE LIST--------------------
  first_image = ['1.png', '1a.png', '1b.png']
  random.shuffle(first_image)
  first_image_pop = first_image(0)
  exp.set('first_image_pop', first_image_pop) 
  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  

  On the next sketchpad, we want to present the image that corresponds to the last image that we just randomly called. This is a bit tricky because I need the second, third, fourth, and fifth images to be the right images, the images that correspond to the first one that I selected with random.shuffle(). I'm having problems here. Here is what tried.

  #-------------------------------BEGIN DEFS OF SECOND & THIRD IMAGES---------
  second_image = ['2.png','2a.png','2b.png']
  exp.set('second_image', second_image)
  
  third_image = ['3.png', '3a.png', '3b.png']
  exp.set('third_image', third_image)
  
  if first_image_pop == '1.png': #If I got 1.png on random.shuffle(first_image), then...
      second_image == "[second_image[0]]" #the second image should be the file indexed #by position o in the second_image list 
      third_image == "[third_image[0]]" #the third image should be the file indexed #by position o in the third_image list 
  
  if first_image_pop == '1a.png':
      second_image == "[second_image[1]]"
      third_image == "[third_image[1]]"
  
  if first_image_pop == '1b.png':
      second_image == "[second_image[2]]"
      third_image == "[third_image[2]]"
  
  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  

  The above doesn't work, though. The error messages tells me I can't call lists. Any idea what went wrong?

  Also, below is my way of dealing with the fourth and fifth images, the images that correspond to the choice participants need to make. I'm not sure how I can get those into the mix above. Any suggestions?

  #-------------------------------HERE BEGINS THE FOURTH & FIFTH IMAGES RANDOMS
  TD_pair_one = ['4.png', 'w.png']
  random.shuffle(TD_pair_one)
  left = TD_pair_one.pop(0)  # picks the first from two elements.
  exp.set('left',left)
  right = TD_pair_one.pop(0)  # picks the first from one element.
  exp.set('right',right)
  
  if left == '4.png':
      correct_response = 'z'
  else:
      correct_response = 'm' #(depending on which buttons you want to use)
  
  TD_pair_two = ['4a.png', 'wa.png']
  random.shuffle(TD_pair_two)
  lefta = TD_pair_two.pop(0)  # picks the first from two elements.
  exp.set('lefta',lefta)
  righta = TD_pair_two.pop(0)  # picks the first from one element.
  exp.set('righta',righta)
  
  if lefta == '4a.png':
      correct_response = 'z'
  else:
      correct_response = 'm' #(depending on which buttons you want to use)
  
  TD_pair_three = ['4b.png', 'wb.png']
  random.shuffle(TD_pair_three)
  leftb = TD_pair_three.pop(0)  # picks the first from two elements.
  exp.set('leftb',leftb)
  rightb = TD_pair_three.pop(0)  # picks the first from one element.
  exp.set('rightb',rightb)
  
  if left == '4b.png':
      correct_response = 'z'
  else:
      correct_response = 'm' #(depending on which buttons you want to use)
  
  
  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  

  p.s. Josh, thanks again. please let me buy you a beer or two.
• Josh

  June 2015 edited 9:01PM

  Glad to help!

  I think I understand the logic - the first image is selected at random, and then the second and third picture should be in accordance with the first image.

  The problems you're currently facing are due to syntax. If you want the first element from your second_image list, you can write this:

    second_image = second_image[0]
  

  So, the double equals sign is only used in logical arguments (such as if-statements); the single equals sign is used to let a variable become a value. Further you shouldn't put the value on the right side of the equation between quotation marks, unless you want it to become a string that literally says "second_image[0]". And also note that after the above statement, the variable second_image has become the first element of the list - which means that second_image is actually not a list anymore (and subsequently, second_image[2] wouldn't work anymore).

  Since the second and third image always depend on the first image pick, you could also make triplets of images:

    images = [["1.png", "2.png", "3.png"], ["1a.png", "2a.png", "3a.png"], ["1b.png", "2b.png", "3b.png"]].
    random.shuffle(images)
    image_pop = images.pop(0)
  
    first = image_pop[0]
    second = image_pop[1]
    third = image_pop[2]
  
    exp.set('first', first)
    exp.set('second', second)
    exp.set('third', third)
  

  Hope this helps!

  Cheers,

  Josh